chat with dogman - male homosexuality and more idiocy about luna

11:51 PM - Kamarada RTCitia: it'd be hilarious if male homosexuality was frowned upon in equestria
11:51 PM - Kamarada RTCitia: but if it was i suppose it'd have a justification
11:52 PM - Kamarada RTCitia: they're pretty low on males
11:53 PM - Dogman328: since it's obvious that lesbians aren't frowned upon
11:54 PM - Dogman328: the lack of males means two things
11:54 PM - Dogman328: neither of them pleasant
11:54 PM - Dogman328: 1. A good portion of males are taken away by the Equestrian government to serve as breeders
11:55 PM - Dogman328: 2. Equestria is under/at risk of war against zebras or something and every male above a certain age is conscripted to serve
11:57 PM - Kamarada RTCitia: well they're certainly not recruiting 20 year olds then since macintosh is like 26 or something at most
11:58 PM - Dogman328: *almost
11:58 PM - Dogman328: That's more accurate
11:58 PM - Dogman328: They don't take the rich or influental males which is why Canterlot has males in it
11:59 PM - Dogman328: unless every male in canterlot is used for breeding
Thursday, June 14, 2012
12:00 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: except blueblood because he's a homosexual apparently
12:01 AM - Dogman328: He's a prince I believe
12:01 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: uh yeah
12:01 AM - Dogman328: so he could probably get out of it if he chose to do so
12:01 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: yeah
12:02 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: he could also get away with being one
12:02 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: generally that's how you get away with homosexuality
12:02 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: be rich and important
12:03 AM - Dogman328: yep
12:04 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: although i severely doubt the princes even have use
12:04 AM - Dogman328: yeah
12:04 AM - Dogman328: given that he isn't an alicorn
12:06 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: unless they inexplicably follow the system i devised where celestia runs the country, and the princes negotiate
12:06 AM - Dogman328: which would make sense
12:06 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: and luna deals with money or whatever
12:06 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: because she's too schizophrenic to do anything else
12:06 AM - Dogman328: on the note of luna, how important is she to Equestria
12:07 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: probably not very
12:07 AM - Dogman328: I don't get why celestia would bother keeping her around then
12:07 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: because luna's her sibling
12:08 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: unless she does important things off screen
12:08 AM - Dogman328: But it's pretty obvious that Celestia doesn't give a damn
12:08 AM - Dogman328: And all Luna does according to the show(which we're forced to assume is truthful), is raise the moon
12:08 AM - Dogman328: something Celestia easily did for a 1000 years
12:09 AM - Dogman328: again
12:09 AM - Dogman328: If Luna was such a threat, why bother having her around
12:09 AM - Dogman328: Since she could at any time become Nightmare Moon again
12:10 AM - Dogman328: Since it's obvious that the EoH don't work long term
12:10 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: to complete the monarchy as much as possible i guess?
12:11 AM - Dogman328: But what would the point be if alicorns live forever
12:11 AM - Dogman328: or at least for a considerably long time
12:11 AM - Dogman328: Since Celestia ran Equestria for 1000 years without Luna or any alicorns as far as we know
12:12 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: there isn't a point
12:13 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: it's just because she keeps them
12:13 AM - Dogman328: pretty much
12:13 AM - Dogman328: But it seems pretty stupid to keep Luna around
12:13 AM - Dogman328: oh wait
12:13 AM - Dogman328: Celestia's entire rule is based on stupidity
12:14 AM - Dogman328: stupidity and needless cruelty
12:15 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: actually she may just keep family around because she loves them
12:15 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: that's literally the best reason
12:15 AM - Dogman328: >banishes luna for 1000 years
12:15 AM - Dogman328: It wasn't NM as far as we can tell
12:15 AM - Dogman328: unless the EoH need to be used twice
12:16 AM - Dogman328: which obviously isn't the case with every other FiM villan
12:17 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: well they may just be expecting us to believe what we see and what we see is celestia loving her family
12:17 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: that's pretty much my best justification for it
12:17 AM - Dogman328: except for:
12:17 AM - Dogman328: A. EoH will turn Luna back to normal
12:18 AM - Dogman328: B. A thousand year moonban because of something that Luna (probably) couldn't control
12:18 AM - Dogman328: unless we assume Luna was a complete asshole before that point
12:18 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: which she probably wasn't
12:19 AM - Dogman328: exactly
12:19 AM - Dogman328: So Celestia had little reason besides NM's control which Luna couldn't help to moonban her
12:20 AM - Dogman328: That isn't love
12:20 AM - Dogman328: That's punishing for something that couldn't be helped
12:20 AM - Dogman328: Since it's obvious their parents are dead at this point
12:20 AM - Dogman328: or they would've stepped in an done something
12:21 AM - Dogman328: Unless the parents were useless or just assholes who loved seeing their daughters fight
12:21 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: you know i'm actually amazed by luna's self control
12:22 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: despite because moonbanned for no reason she resists the urge to hurt celestia
12:22 AM - Dogman328: I kinda assume it was her fear of another moonban
12:22 AM - Dogman328: for all we know there are fearsome creatures on the moon in the mlpverse and Luna was lucky to survive
12:22 AM - Dogman328: of course
12:23 AM - Dogman328: They're both gods so I doubt anything would harm either of them
12:23 AM - Dogman328: unless Celestia stripped Luna of her godhood before the ban
12:23 AM - Dogman328: Unless Luna thought she deserved the ban, she would've just come back
12:24 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: well we're not sure when nightmare came back into control
12:25 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: so that may be why she didn't immediately return
12:25 AM - Dogman328: I'd assume it'd be during the last few years on the moon
12:25 AM - Dogman328: unless it happened on the day she returned
12:25 AM - Dogman328: Which seems a lot more likely
12:26 AM - Dogman328: as NM is just as powerful as Celestia as far as we can tell
12:26 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: but that would be logical
12:26 AM - Dogman328: so she could've returned
12:26 AM - Dogman328: so it's basically
12:27 AM - Dogman328: A. Luna accepts her banishment even though she isn't at fault
12:27 AM - Dogman328: B. NM spends a 1000 years planning on getting back (assuming she turned back the moment she arrived)
12:28 AM - Dogman328: C. Celestia strips Luna of godhood, leaving her to fend for herself for a 1000 years
12:29 AM - Dogman328: the first one is more accurate if we're going by the plot
12:29 AM - Dogman328: * and second
12:30 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: regardless celestia is an ass and i still want to hug luna
12:30 AM - Dogman328: yes
12:31 AM - Dogman328: So Celestia is an ass anyway you look at it
12:31 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: yes
12:31 AM - Dogman328: unless Luna is an asshole off camera
12:31 AM - Dogman328: but it we go by what we see, Celestia is an ass who hates her sister
12:31 AM - Dogman328: for no reason at all
12:32 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: well luna seems to just want friends or to not be hated at least
12:32 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: so she's probably not an ass offscreen
12:33 AM - Dogman328: given that she's had nothing to talk to besides NM and moonbeasts(if we assume there are any), it makes sense that she wouldn't be
12:33 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: in fact it seems more likely she cries offscreen
12:34 AM - Dogman328: I honestly thinks she suffers from depression
12:34 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: gee really
12:34 AM - Dogman328: I honestly question why she would even want to be around celestia
12:34 AM - Dogman328: or anyone for that matter
12:35 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: well she probably doesn't like being alone
12:35 AM - Dogman328: since it seems more likely that she wouldn't trust anyone enough to be friendly to them
12:35 AM - Dogman328: still
12:35 AM - Dogman328: I just find it odd that she isn't reluctant to be around anyone
12:36 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: you mean is?
12:36 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: :u
12:37 AM - Dogman328: If she is friendly to anyone I find that odd
12:37 AM - Dogman328: but anyway
12:37 AM - Dogman328: now what
12:38 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: i'm surprised she hasn't just made herself nonexistent
12:40 AM - Dogman328: what else
12:40 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: i dunno
12:41 AM - Dogman328: hmm
12:42 AM - Dogman328: Celestia probably had many "faithful students" before Twilight that she took away from their families during their childhood
12:42 AM - Dogman328: which implies horrible things
12:43 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: that celestia is a kidnapper and pedophile and has been for many years
12:43 AM - Dogman328: yes
12:44 AM - Dogman328: but it also leads to another explanation of NM/Luna's transformation
12:44 AM - Dogman328: brb
12:46 AM - Dogman328: back
12:46 AM - Dogman328: but anyway
12:47 AM - Dogman328: For all we know Celestia is an incestuous pedophile that banished Luna when she stopped wanting to put up with the rape
12:48 AM - Dogman328: And then she started the practice of taking fillies from their families to use for her own pleasure with the promise that they would learn magic and such
12:49 AM - Dogman328: And the parents and the filly would believe it
12:50 AM - Dogman328: And when the "faithful student" got to a certain age, she would make them forget what happened and send them out into the general populace to do whatever Celestia willed
12:51 AM - Dogman328: The only reason that Twilight is allowed to see her brother is because she's (probably) the only one of Celestia's "students" that does her work for her
12:51 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: also if the calculations are correct, she's had anywhere between ten and fifty between luna's transformation and twilight
12:51 AM - Dogman328: Let's see
12:51 AM - Dogman328: brb
12:52 AM - Dogman328: average lifespan of a horse is 25 - 30 years
12:52 AM - Dogman328: We can probably add a few for each type of pony in MLP
12:52 AM - Dogman328: Anyway
12:53 AM - Dogman328: assuming that a "student" would die every 35 - 40 years
12:53 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: actually
12:54 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: they probably live to about 80 in Fi
12:54 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: M time
12:54 AM - Dogman328: ok
12:54 AM - Dogman328: so she's had 12 of these "students" since Luna's banishment
12:54 AM - Dogman328: *at least
12:56 AM - Dogman328: and assuming they live for several thousand years, she'll have many more
12:57 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: as in up to 400
12:59 AM - Dogman328: probably
12:59 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: that's assuming several is 8,000 years
12:59 AM - Dogman328: at least
1:00 AM - Dogman328: so we can assume an alicorn childhood is 500 - 1000 years
1:00 AM - Dogman328: let's see
1:00 AM - Dogman328: what else
1:02 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: the celestial sisters must have had a fun childhood
1:02 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: considering how one is a lunatic and the other appears to hate the former irrationally
1:03 AM - Dogman328: and she's only like that because of Celestia's treatment
1:03 AM - Dogman328: I honestly think the only reason Celestia hates Luna is because she wouldn't go along with Celestia's wishes
1:04 AM - Dogman328: The only reason Celestia hugged Luna is to keep up appearances as the benevolent leader of Equestria
1:04 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: although luna was probably actually a lunatic to begin with and celestia just made it worse
1:05 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: lots worse
1:05 AM - Dogman328: I don't know if it was insanity or just her jealousy of the daytime
1:05 AM - Dogman328: might have been both
1:06 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: well she's named luna
1:06 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: she's probably born insane
1:07 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: we don't have the words lunatic and lunacy for nothing
1:07 AM - Dogman328: yeah
1:08 AM - Kamarada RTCitia: which makes me want to cuddle her even more